Sofia Amirova [00:00:00] Hi, everyone. So I am Sofia, and this is beautiful. Morris. Hi. So if you don’t know, Ray Morris is an expert when it comes to makeup and making beautiful makeup application brushes. Now we’re going to talk about the importance of this skin care and making the right choices when it comes to our makeup application. Hi.

Rae Morris [00:00:24] Hi. We go way back. Yes, I’ve seen you. I’ve seen you hover around at great conventions, and I’ve always had my eyes on you. Look at that beautiful, beautiful skin. So thanks for having me.

Sofia Amirova [00:00:37] Thank you so much for coming and doing the podcast with me. So let’s talk about skin care and healthy skin in makeup, you know. How is that interconnecting together?

Rae Morris [00:00:50] Look, it’s I mean, it sounds like common sense, but the thing I always get asked, you know, how do you get makeup to look amazing? What’s the best foundation? I think I get asked that question more than anything. And I think what the question’s meant to say is, how do I make my skin look amazing with makeup? My question is, get your skin amazing. That’s why people like you come in. The thing is, it’s really important. The better the skin, the better the makeup. Also, your makeup lasts longer on better skin because you don’t have to put as much on. So I say this to anybody that the number one thing before you worry about how much makeup or money you going to spend on makeup, get your skin right. Go to experts like yourself. There’s so much has happened in technology like when I grew up. Maybe the same for you. Much older than you will have anything. We had, like, you know, two products that you could buy now with lasers and technology and experts. I think, you know, there’s no real reason to have bad skin now. There’s something for every skin concern.

Sofia Amirova [00:01:49] Yeah, I totally agree. Now, the biggest obstacle, when it comes to, you know, makeup choices, like when I have, for example, my patients coming in to my clinic and, you know, they they all love makeup and they all wanted to have this beautiful skin. And, one of the questions that all of us ask, you know, like what is your concerns? What are the things that you would like to address today? And all pretty much say, hey, I just want to have this beautiful, nice canvas and I want my makeup to sit really nice and smoothly. Yeah. And because obstacle they come across that there are just so much choices they going to make or they’re going to suffer either going to David Jones and there’s going to be there’s a.

Rae Morris [00:02:38] Line and there’s all the shopping. That’s right.

Sofia Amirova [00:02:40] How much how a how do you choose what’s, you know, correct makeup, you know, and correct application, they’re so overwhelmed with what’s happening and and it’s not slowing down. It’s like.

Rae Morris [00:02:57] Yeah.

Sofia Amirova [00:02:57] Getting bigger and bigger, you having more choices. And you look, I for example, you know, you know, keep things very simple. But what about, you know, the younger generation? They say, yeah, you know, it’s all about, you know, following the trends and you know, what’s the latest trend to how to apply the makeup or, you know, what’s the latest bronzer. Yeah, look how how do you go about it?

Rae Morris [00:03:21] Look, it is overwhelming because there’s so much choices and the things we get so caught up in what the latest thing is. I don’t follow makeup trends. I think it’s a bit of a dangerous thing to do. And I think of this if you walked out in the street and someone I see some of the amazing makeup, I never go, Well, that’s on trend. I go, Wow, she looks elegant or shake. Clothes are different. You can tell what’s in train with clothes. Haircuts are the same makeup. That’s not normally the case. Less is always more. I always think to try and find a look that’s just timeless, elegant, chic. If you get confused. I think a really great tip is to find someone who has a similar skin tone and age to you and somebody so you really like. Yeah, and just go by their example. Also, there’s some really good YouTubers out there that are just again, timeless. And if you get into the old trend thing with makeup and makeup trends in social media change probably every 5 minutes and you do get overwhelmed. So and I don’t think you need a lot of makeup. I just think find things that suit, you know, your skin tone, know your eye colour. And then the great thing is that if you I always find this trick to like in Australia, if you’re in Australia, like Mecca is great. The staff there are so highly trained and get samples or we can get them to go and make doored as well to forward it as well. You can pay an amount you redeem on product, find someone maybe who works in the store of makeup so that you like get them to do it, but don’t buy things straightaway. Yeah, go high and walk around with it and just try and let them go. But if you have great skin, a moisturiser and a tinted moisturiser is all you need, right? Have to do like a little bit of a smokey. I don’t overcomplicate it. I think that’s where we get really overwhelmed every time I try. And you look, I always tend to go, okay, so I’m mangling one place. You look good. Excellent. And Jolie, she has two makeup books. She has two looks. And that’s all she does. Yeah, she does something and does it well, yeah. And then maybe change a lip colour. Like don’t overcomplicate it.

Sofia Amirova [00:05:26] Yeah, I totally agree. I, you know, I must have made that. It’s exactly the same with the, you know, skincare. I think following the trends gets you in a big trouble.

Rae Morris [00:05:36] Yeah, it does.

Sofia Amirova [00:05:37] You know, so it just really important to keep it simple and being authentic and rather than, you know, going for one when you fascinate one person and then another one just, you know, choose one and just see, you know, who you can see and get that professional advice from rather than going from one person to another. I think keeping simple I think is really important.

Rae Morris [00:05:59] Yeah. And just the things that mean knowing your eyes shape, you know, things like what colour suits me, that’s a really a big thing. How do you match your foundation? Like I really simple. Typically match your foundation, don’t match it on your jawline. That’s something that I was always told. Match it to the deck, the Taj area. And the reason for that is you want your face and your body to be the same colour. Things are pretty by lipstick, like some tips. When you buy makeup, don’t put lipstick on the back of your hand because that’s not the same colour as your lips. These are only fingertip because your fingertip has a very similar no either because I’ve always.

Sofia Amirova [00:06:29] Tried lipstick on double.

Rae Morris [00:06:31] Yeah. And I’ll walk. Oh, especially if you get a worn lipstick, Zac. An orange face, lipstick that are pretty bright because your lips have no way of blue on the blue, right? Yeah. It neutralises the water. You get a really bright orange lipstick on your mouth. It looks a bit flat. Yeah. So fingertips are really good tips and things like that are some great tips, too. If you’re concerned about five lines or if you’ve got scarring, keep away from shimmer. So shimmers all over Instagram. And remember too, because you see our Instagram, it doesn’t make it a trend. It just makes it simple. It was trying to. Get a click bait events. Try new something read or unusual just to get those following in those lights. And you remember that. So try and follow like professional working. Make a positive. That’s a really good tip. And also a lot of the Instagram Tik Tok trends that you see, it’s so filtered and doesn’t help anybody. And words I already hate to in the make up space. I hate things. I hate anti-aging. I know I want say it’s not talk stop talking about looking all looking younger so yeah let’s talk about looking healthier so and that comes back to good skin You get your skin right? Yeah. And skin is you know, it’s the largest organic cancer diet. It’s not just always about what you put on, it’s what you put inside as well.

Sofia Amirova [00:07:48] Yeah, I totally agree. And what do you what I’m just going to go back to where you were saying in terms of, you know, working with celebrities and working with, you know, fashion models. You know, what what is the biggest obstacle when it comes to like ageing and wanting to look younger? What what is the right thing, you know, to happen.

Rae Morris [00:08:11] If that’s if that’s the goal? Because like I said, I think some if you make someone look healthier, they actually do look younger. Yeah. And actually is the skin. I never forget this. One of my favourite doctors, Dr. Steven Lloyd. I never forget I was in a conference where I first met him and he was in a room full of doctors and a doctor asked him a question. They said if you could use any device to make someone look younger, but that was the goal. And you could do anything from facelift to laser you, but you only could do one thing. What would you do? And what? His answer was completely changed my life as a makeup artist. What he said was Don’t chase the lines, even out the skin tone. And I’m like, What do you mean? And he said, So as he was saying this, there was a pitch that went up behind him of a woman who was 70. She was from Queensland, spent a whole life in the sun, smoked back diet. So she’s very like very red and looked older than 70 for sure. And what he did in Photoshop, he removed all the wrinkles and she looked younger, she looked all ancient, weird. And the second photo, he actually took it out. So he kept all the wrinkles. Yeah. Even her skin tone. Yeah, she looked 50. She amazing. And I was like, I could do that every day as a makeup artist. Even the skin don’t even the skin tone. So if you get really nice hydrating foundation, that’s another mistake that people tend to make. They judge makeup by how low something, gloss and sometimes foundations that last the longest look the driest or they get into line the lines the most. So I try and teach women that men women who he wants to advise you don’t ever worry about how long something gloss If it looks amazing and it needs maintenance, it needs maintenance because no one’s ever going to like your skin. I can see your skin. That’s why I look so good. If you put heavy like even I think seeing a bit of a blemish or some lines or a bit of a pigment is actually more useful than seeing a full face of foundation always every time. And, you know, I think we just need to stop worrying about covering ourselves, you know, work, do beautiful eyebrows, you makeup like that’s perfection. I look at you and I go, skin is going as good a beautiful self lash brows, a perfect lips are hot. You look hydrated and fresh. And if you came to me right now wanted your makeup done, I’d got nothing to do. Here is nothing that I think that I need. That it’s like that’s that you’re the perfect example of, I think, how women should vote. I just sent you a beautiful look. Divine.

Sofia Amirova [00:10:50] Thank you. Well, I love to keep things very simple. Let’s talk about in terms of, you know, a different countries and a perception of beauty like you travelling a lot for your work. Yes. You know. And what do you find? You know, going from one country to another. Is there a difference between how women and men perceiving, you know, a beauty, you know, in terms of like, you know, makeup as well?

Rae Morris [00:11:16] Application. Yeah. You find that if you I’m finding now like now when I travel it’s funny a lot of the trends are the same. It’s funny because I grow as a girl, as a makeup artist was always told that when you’re working on black skin or, you know, Asian or there was always we always taught that. And now I look back on I got that was so wrong because again, something I caught on a few years ago was the whole concept of PHI, the Fibonacci sequence. And this is something that again, I’ll, I’ll answer the question of common being a bit of a long answer, but it actually blew my mind. So a couple of things. So the first part of that question is yes, So when I spend time in Korea, Korea, it’s so much about skin care. This. So much about having like very black skin. When Japan I find there’s more about a match. A lot of girls prefer powders and again, I’m speaking very general, but I’m when I go and do makeup, it’s something that I found really interesting. So in Japan, there’s a lot be a lot more powder products and not as much shimmer, you know, So, so sorry. Korea, Shimmer, shimmer, shimmer. Japan, you know, just a lot more of a matte aesthetic, but that’s been very general. But then how fascinating was this? When I was in another lecture with another plastic surgeon, he was talking about he was teaching at the doctors and he was saying this thing about if you just make the face phi, it’s the golden ratio. I’ve heard this before, and I thought it meant symmetry. And then he said to me, he said to this class, I was busy taking notes. He said that if you make the face five, the face becomes the most beautiful version of itself no matter who’s looking at you.

Sofia Amirova [00:13:08] Oh, wow.

Rae Morris [00:13:08] Yeah. And what do you mean by that? Is it your gay, straight, Chinese, Australian, American, African? No matter what? If your face is phi, you’re more attractive to everybody. It’s not like you’re just more attracted to a certain race. So he said that if to make the face phi, it actually breaks that whole thing about different countries in different races. So, for example, he said things like if you look at faces that are phi, we’ve got people from how you berry to George Clooney to Cleopatra to Kim Kardashian to face a fan Bingbing who I love and he was talking about all different from Helen Mirren Jane Fonda. He went through this whole thing about all these different races, all these different ages. But he was right there. The most beautiful version everyone thinks are attractive. Everybody. That’s right. So it was really an interesting thing. So with makeup and what bond, basically, it’s not a symmetry. It’s a whole it’s actually scientifically embedded. We are born that we find anything that measures find more attractive. So as a makeup artist, I actually also came up with the form it could I fire or I can teach anyone to make their eyes as close to the face shape as possible because again, I thought that different races want different eye shapes. And no, actually when I sit with anybody, most men and women, although I work more with women, they always want an open lifted eyes. Yeah. Which is kind of the Egyptian Cleopatra shape. So it’s funny there’s trans but then there’s not. So that’s a very long, hard question to answer. But I do find a friend. One difference I do find when I’m in Paris, women touch up in makeup all the time. Really? Yeah. Australians I find have this thing we’re obsessed with. It’s going to last all day, but we’re in the hottest climate. That’s actually that’s kind of the wrong way to look it out if maintenance is the case. So that was the longest answer ever.

Sofia Amirova [00:15:03] No, that’s amazing. That’s absolutely amazing. I you know, I because I was very curious, you know, going from one country to another, you know, like what is the perception of beauty and.

Rae Morris [00:15:13] What it means to be a guy? Phillips is a really big deal. Okay. So lips in if I’m in Japan, if I’m in Japan, Korea or China making them smaller, we’re always making them smaller. So like blurring at the edges intensity on the inside. And actually I learned something really interesting when I was in Japan about how to make women they like really quite dull, like, and one thing they do is with the bottom lip, it’s something I saw like ten years ago. I use it all the time. They never like any party out of lip to look why they like to make it really, like, actually short. They actually have straight. Yeah. Hot chick. And they moved in all the time. So the lips go here. They tend to move it in. So when I do, any ones that are really round the bottom lip and actually just lips everything, so lip shades very different in other countries and contouring. I don’t do or see very much contouring in my career, Chinese or Japanese. I spend a lot of time in Japan, so that’s why I spend a lot of time off there again next week. But no contouring, they don’t they? It’s all about roundness. So where a lot of the Western women love the strong cheekbones in this. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s something I don’t find as much as Asian countries. Yeah.

Sofia Amirova [00:16:29] Yeah, some in Eastern Europe, it’s just like again. But that was like trying trend like high cheekbones in our defined jaw line. You know, there’s pouty lips, you know. But now I am in the last 12 months, you know, the one of the most popular procedures is, you know, blazing the lips because.

Rae Morris [00:16:49] There’s that.

Sofia Amirova [00:16:50] Main goal is to dissolving the lips.

Rae Morris [00:16:52] So I feel like I even have filler and I have got all taken out. Is that work? What? How was I walking around looking like that? Seriously?

Sofia Amirova [00:17:00] Yeah, it’s it’s amazing because, you know, lucky. You know, you’ll remember that, you know, probably like 12 months ago or, you know, 24 months ago, it was all about this power to leave.

Rae Morris [00:17:11] Yeah. And it wasn’t said in the face in that was wasn’t it.

Sofia Amirova [00:17:14] A bully at all. And it’s like big and big and, you know, and then you actually lose a concept of like when you got to stop.

Rae Morris [00:17:23] Yeah.

Sofia Amirova [00:17:24] When it’s becoming dangerous as well. Because when you have a feeling there is a high risk, you know, of immigration, of a granulation.

Rae Morris [00:17:31] Immigration.

Sofia Amirova [00:17:33] That’s right. And that’s when it just doesn’t sit right. When those lives do not belong to that place.

Rae Morris [00:17:38] The crisis. You look at the whole face, All right. Correct.

Sofia Amirova [00:17:41] And I think it’s really important, you know, especially in our industry, you know, you’ve got to say no. You know, you know what? It’s too much like, you know, I, I really big advocate when it comes to natural beauty. And that’s why I really wanted to talk to you today when it comes to skin and makeup and things like that, I think there’s nothing more beautiful when you actually enhancing your features, when you feel good in your skin, when you you don’t follow the trends, You don’t, you know, follow in like on a look like basis as like, yes, I do admire that person and they look great. They’re amazing. But to really rely on myself. Yeah. And like your perfect imperfections, like you were saying, like blemishes, you know. Yes. It’s okay to fine, you know, to have wrinkles and fine lines. I think it’s this the story of your life, You know, it tells the story about you. Yeah. You know, like when you’re doing the makeup, saying, oh, you know, like you’ve got the beauty spot or you’ve got bit of a blemish or look away from and you know, this person will bring it up to is like, Oh, I went there and this guy is from there and I up, you know, ordinary you know in a Western to start out Australia, you know, so it just tells you, you know, who you are. So I think is really important to. Being, you know, concentrating on the self care and making the right choices. Yeah. Now I really want to talk about your brushes because I’m obviously fascinated by it. You know, I’ve got them. And you know, the difference that I have seen in terms of the applications.

Rae Morris [00:19:13] Yeah, it’s.

Sofia Amirova [00:19:13] Just in numerous parts of it. I really like the presentation.

Rae Morris [00:19:18] I make my second I kind of thought of it like before, like I leave.

Sofia Amirova [00:19:22] How did you come up with this whole concept? Tell me.

Rae Morris [00:19:25] I, I made their home. I was like, Oh, no, I actually thought of it before. I’m obsessed. Organisation. Like, I’ve got 400 suitcases. I’m always like, trying to organise things and come very messy. The main thing is actually from working in show on shows internationally, so I do a lot of Paris Fashion Week on Fashion Week and I was always surprised how one how time the bed spaces were. Also when you have a suitcase and you have brushes and the only thing that we ever have to travel with in those canisters or brush felt and the problem of the canisters is a lot of problems. It’s one of Boston’s upside down your suitcases. They actually hit the top and those fine ones get destroyed. That’s one, too. When you’ve got canisters and you’ve got 400 brush heads staring at you and need a brush quickly, you can’t find that, right? Also hygiene. So what? Wouldn’t it be great if you could just get brushes that could stand up in a small space so that, like I said, I never I didn’t actually. I thought someone must have thought of it before, but went down this path. No one had done that before. That’s number one, too. I love calligraphy brushes. And there’s a there was an absolute shade difference when you were. The way calligraphy brush is built is you can actually think of it the way calligraphy artist paints actually didn’t know this that a proper calligraphy artist is. I’ll have to take the brush in black paint once I did not know that this is I knew went to Japan. I came back a week ago. I didn’t actually understand. That’s why brushes is such a craft. So what an artist is meant to do, they have a white canvas, they have a brush full of paint. That artist has to with one brush, do finest handling line strokes, but with pressure, make that stroke thick to throw things at them with no edges and I assist is to use calligraphy brushes for makeup. And I found that what a traditional brush would take 20 to 30 strokes to blend a calligraphy brush would do it in 3 to 4. So I said, I use art brushes. So I only started to get brushes made. For me personally, I found a craftsman that made them for me and it just organically happened. So I had models and makeup artists say, Can you make me something? The first day of the fire First they said Brush Micro, the fire. And it actually happened organically. And then what happened is I thought, I wonder who is who is like the best brush like in the world. And this is probably my proudest proudest story is I found there’s only one man in the world that can make a template. Uday Brush is one in the background. How to live in the moment. Wow. It takes to learn that. So okay, so there’s only 14 masters ever been awarded in Japan’s history. There’s only one living master of craft gift alive in the world who’s the man who his family and him make precious to me. And the reason I got him to make any makes writing brushes. So a calligraphy brush starts at about 52 steps to make a brush. A traditional makeup brush is about 3 to 4 steps up to five. My brushes started a 62 steps. Every single brush is made like a writing brush. They also the only brushes, the only brushes in the world that have what we call point technology, which is that machine that he’s personally made, which keeps any brush that has a point in its shape three times longer than any other brush. The hairs are patented, fine, But with the cuticles, they’re vegan, right? We don’t need animal hair anymore. And I really hope other brush companies follow through. So it’s not synthetic. Synthetic hairs are just like plastic and they put the lips in good faith. Some things happen with synthetics is they don’t have they’re not porous, so they don’t pick up product well, and if they do, they dump it on the verse. So one thing that the point technology, we’ve got them built like a click of they brush the hairs a softer than animal hair but stronger and they’ve all been shaped. So for example this is the trick for makeup. This is what I say to people all the time. We never really taught how to put makeup onto a brush because I’ve stayed on to talk about what I make. Slime mould approximate.

Sofia Amirova [00:23:32] That’s right. Yeah. That’s why I like using so much products as well.

Rae Morris [00:23:36] And the way you put it on a brush is really important. So for example, if I’m using blush or bronzer with this brush, you put the product on of the very, very tip on always, no matter what brush you use, be very mindful only of the very, very tip of what that does when you put just on the tip, it keeps it. Short of breath now bristles clean of product. So when you apply it to the face, the product goes on. But when you add pressure, those clean bristles airbrush the edges. So that’s.

Sofia Amirova [00:24:06] Like a total opt.

Rae Morris [00:24:07] Toward what and who brushes should fit your face. That’s why there’s so many. So I have three cheek brushes. You might have tiny face, medium face, large face, You might have eyes, small, medium light. So you find the brush. It is fits your face, minimum strokes and you done like cheek. But this actually worked with two plastic surgeons. Worked with me on this one because you know the contouring. Yes.

Sofia Amirova [00:24:33] Correct.

Rae Morris [00:24:34] So if you put the product just here, you know, it’s part of the brush. You saw the two strokes. Even if you can’t do makeup, it will give you the exact contour line that a surgeon will use to create, to define the cheekbone and the back bristles, keep it clean and brush it forward. And before I even released that, I sent it to, like my favourite makeup artist all around the world. And until I got once I said that were the best I knew they were. So yeah, I like what I love about it. I made them just for me. Yeah. So they are world first with technology in the hair technology. And. And I can ask you, how did you get this man to make brushes for you and what is a really beautiful story. He’s got two sons and he’s got a bit of a business mind as well. And they know that in the calligraphy world it’s a bit of a doorknob, dying art. But kids aren’t writing any more than keyboards. And it took a lot of convincing because he was like, We don’t do makeup brushes, We do writing brushes. That’s I don’t want makeup brushes. I want calligraphy. Don’t change anything that you do. So it took a little bit of time for him to understand. That’s what we want. Yeah, I want to make this cheaper or different, and I want to keep it exactly the same craftsman in the craftsmanship. Yeah. So we just came back. We actually going to film a whole documentary. So when you see the, the even every brush, every single brush, we just were in Japan last week and one.

Sofia Amirova [00:25:56] It is like handmade the way there.

Rae Morris [00:25:57] Were, just.

Sofia Amirova [00:25:58] Like making it. I was like, wow.

Rae Morris [00:26:00] I alliss brush maker and we filmed and I said he’d been there. He’s a, he’s a master as well, and he’d been there for 30 years. And he has this job where he shapes the brush and by hand ties it. And I said to him, Do your hands get so bored. And he looked at me like, How do you say it? He was like, He said, I’m creating art. How could I be bored and let go? My God, I love you so much. And even watching the way they had every single head is handwash not from the filtered water, but the water. We filmed all of this water from a spring. They soak their heads for 24 hours. Then one person, not a hundred of them, one person by hand washes each head of the brush. The way they grow, they grow with a seaweed goop all done by hand. And I’m sitting there going, I mean, this is amazing. But if you wanted to churn out, you know, 5000 a day, it’s not going to happen. So I love the fact that I can keep this craft alive. And and also, I want to share the whole story. You’re going to watch from beginning to end how the whole thing is. And the last thing, too, that all ergonomically balanced. And they have the why they made it so much. The way they talk about it in the way of finding is made. This is mindblowing. They have the brush hollowed so you can feel the vibrations. They’ve been able to make the brush light with the magnet. So it’s all about like brushes, heavy brushes. You don’t feel what’s happening when they make them this. Like he told me this story about I could have been brush if I close my eyes. I should know when the brush hits the canvas because these are built to be ergonomics left handed, right handed. They are so light that I with my eyes close, I can feel when I’m touching your face. Oh, wow. So it’s just a level of craftsmanship that I’m just obsessed with.

Sofia Amirova [00:27:47] That’s absolutely amazing. Like how meticulous the technology is and how in the importance of the quality. Yeah, in.

Rae Morris [00:27:56] Art, they should last a lifetime. That’s the thing. That should last a lifetime. And that’s also why the magnets that holds them in place will get like a little travel set which holds everything in place because it is hard to have a makeup brush in a bag. And look, when you look at the way calligraphy brush makers look after their brushes, it puts us to shame because we need to start to like it. And it’s like, gosh, that there are no take care if you take care. And that will last a lifetime. Absolutely.

Sofia Amirova [00:28:21] Yeah. People are an art at that. And whether they understand, you know, how much it goes into, you know, crafting and making quality products like where I come from, we’ve got a saying I’m not that reach to buy chip products so I rather buy quality stuff that made in are accurately meticulously you know from a good material they forward the resolve to like application of the maker will look differently in a will asked you for such a long time.

Rae Morris [00:28:54] And that’s a. It’s like this a thing if you buy because they buy less but buy good quality. Yeah. It getting to because of this hair. The reason the application is so good as well, the bristles don’t flex and you look at normal hair bristles when you’re doing something great with it. If you have a pound products or happens with normal bristles, they flex here powder for you everywhere. The way the hair works, it stays. As you can see. It stays in one. Yeah, one body you don’t get. That’s another reason why they work so well. And that’s what always And you don’t need a hundred of them. You don’t have any more. So there’s two as the great thing these and all the strongest alcohol disinfected. So I have to use I like to only use product that owner could destroy coleslaw because I’ve got to go from wall to wall to wall. I need a product that will sterilise claim for dry. So I use hospital strength sterilisers and I never condition them ever that because the hair is a natural fibre, there’s nothing to dry out if that makes sense. So I use really strong brass cleaners in Australia. I just buy from a place called Scotty’s I and also on my website is go to rain most dot com. There’s a whole brush playing video as well. You I do obviously use I use side one to swipe it’s the one that you use for clothes and it’s upside down. And the only thing to remember is however you use it on the face is how you wash it. So for example, if I use a brush like this, the foundation brush, if I use a brush like this on the face, I can clean it like that. So soap, no conditioner or more. Don’t ever go too hot. The only thing is any makeup brush that you own, they glue the this. It’s called a feral that’s actually glued right there a lot of heat can on glue that Yeah but not hot water but again if you use the brush so for example, an eye line is very different. So an eyeliner you always use a brush on its sides. You never quite use the brush like that, You always use the brushing aside. Yeah. So when you clean it, it’s on its side. So you put it in brush clean or when you wash it is set, we just roll it and it’s really important to put them back into the shape as they dry. What I love about the magnets, do you hang them upside down? So when you hang a brush upside down, it keeps the shape and also stops water sitting in here. The good thing these aren’t natural fibres, but the public natural hair fibres, they smell and grow mould very badly. I’m broken apart. Some are really old brushes that if you if you’re washing them in water, just make sure you’re putting them in a place where they can dry quickly. I still washing with water. That’s fine. If I have maggots that’s fine. As much you lay them flat if you can. If you do it on a bench, just make sure that sitting off the bench for a wet towel, they take too long to dry. And if they take a really long time and you’ve got a lot of wood up here, they get full of mould.

Sofia Amirova [00:31:48] So and you have no idea what like how they the dry mould.

Rae Morris [00:31:52] Humidifiers with a touchy subject and no any mums are you. Not a mum but my daughter. Ten nine. And we did this so clear out of the toys and I found a really cute rubber ducky that she had when she was little. I thought that colour pretty old. I opened it full of mould. So if you’re home so completely cool, subject to beauty sponges. That’s what I was thinking. Because those beauty blenders, those things grow mould and they grow Hyundais. So I love the idea of yeah, great for like building makeup, but you won’t get a finish like you do with brushes. You just want, yeah, sponges are good for building and adding a lot of layers, but things are more layers you build. The more you got to maintain them more you get touch more. But with a brush the best way, talking about skin, if you want to get a great coverage, don’t get a really sheer foundation. If you want to have coverage that you’ve got to put seven layers on, What are you better off doing? If you want to buy foundation, buy one that’s got more coverage than what you want, but use less product. Okay. So if you put silicone, that’s a little bit heavy up on the face. Let it heat for a minute because body temperature really helps. Yeah. Then get the brush and buffeting and then you get this flawless skin and you get more coverage with less product and don’t put 17 layers of skin underneath a foundation if you want to tell us. Because if you fill the skin with skin care, which is obviously really important, of course, but if you put too much on the sunscreen, then you go to the foundation sitting on the top. It’s like sitting on this oil plate. You get oil just going to slide, slide down and go all wool. But I powder it in. But what’s happening when you batter it in. And also that the reason the pattern it absorbs all that oil and you just get a whole mess. So I just.

Sofia Amirova [00:33:43] Get patchy.

Rae Morris [00:33:43] Just get patchy so the end of the day and use like I mean I know you’ve got a skincare range out now it’s about using not 17 products, using active good skin care that you don’t have to put to. Chew on there and let it soak in. And your face is really oily and slimy before you put makeup on. It’s going to be audience led me with makeup on.

Sofia Amirova [00:34:02] Okay. One more question before we end. I can say 4 hours into the day. I was wondering, what do you think about China as in other summer? Such a big misconception. You know, and I again, one patient was coming in and the like when I’m asking them, you know, like, please give me your skincare regime and, you know, and the toner before the makeup application, I’m like, what do you think of that, Tommy?

Rae Morris [00:34:28] Depends what they mean by telling old school toner with things like alcohol based astringent that they’ve actually cleanse your face of. Well, I only found out in this last decade that polls that open and close, I didn’t know that. And that’s another lie we all get told depends on the word. So like serum is probably a better word, but I don’t know if people think they’re using. It’s harder to close the pores. That’s actually not what they do. Pains on the brand. I think it’s a bit of a dying name. Like I know now there’s more essences, there’s more serums, there’s more hydro clinic things that are hyaluronic acid that are put into toners and depends what they do. If they add adding a layer of moisture, I just feel that word is a little bit misleading. I think that typical old school alcohol y, you know, it’s got a lot of those natural waters. Do they really do anything on it? What do you think? So depends on the skincare brand. So a lot of skincare brands, I you look like a ton of but they’re full of active so it’s depends on what’s in it. And again, I think it’s really important with skincare if you want to get into the whole water and sea and all those actives and niacinamide of love, it’s great. But I think you got to also check the levels as well, because I know that skincare brands can get away with murder. They can put like less than 1% and claim all that. Okay, perfect example. So sunscreens in foundations and such as plus.

Sofia Amirova [00:35:55] 50.

Rae Morris [00:35:55] Plus 60 on a like really no really hang.

Sofia Amirova [00:35:58] Around the label and you read the actual ingredients.

Rae Morris [00:36:00] And also to like that not it’s as you know it’s the amount of sense you know how I love following to help me to help everyone get around this woman and Michelle a lot have met a few times has a a page called Lab Muffin. Okay. It’s a really good thing. It is a science based techie skincare geek who loves it, but she exposes all the truths that she goes through whole lot about sunscreens and how you get to put, you know, three fingers. And she goes through this things. She took all these foundations that had these these liquid foundations that had all these sunscreen claims. And she put out with the proper lights. She’s very medical device and she showed how much there you’d have to actually put on to have that sunscreen benefit. So I really like she really encourages really good skin care. This also breaks down a lot of the myths or the lies. So think it’s about, you know, try and get educated and be really important. And I go to people like you, like you’ve got a medical background. Like it’s really important to see people who have this I like. I love all the organic, I love all that, how, you know, organic thing. But I also I love the medical and I think it’s where you come into it really well, the science and the Yeah, and the organic to give is a really nice place to be.

Sofia Amirova [00:37:18] And people need to also understand that, you know, everyone has a different skin. Yeah. And you know, I, I choosing the right skincare makeup will be very different to one to another, you know based on the skin presentation with its oily whereas dry where it’s dehydrated. Yeah. You know let’s talk about Fitzpatricks as well. You know, it’s sort of like a different skin type, you know, like you’re Fitzpatrick one or two, you know, and then you know that you’ve got African, you know or Indian, you know. FITZPATRICK Five and six. So you know, they have different fitness and.

Rae Morris [00:37:57] Different maladies has a lot to do with it, doesn’t.

Sofia Amirova [00:37:59] It? That’s right. Also, you know, I walk away, the person was born, you know, so all the sort of things, you know, people actually don’t understand, like, you know, don’t even know how much goes into chocolate and choosing the right skincare brand, you know, you know, the the skin. What does it do on a daily functioning night? It does one thing during the day and then and get it does different things during the night, correct? Yeah.

Rae Morris [00:38:27] Because the skin of it’s day or night though. It does because really melatonin.

Sofia Amirova [00:38:31] Melatonin. But it also knows what it does. It has different function during the day in terms of protection. And then during the night it’s absorption and nourishment. So the products that you’re using during the night, it’s very different to, you know, what you using during the day as well. Okay.

Rae Morris [00:38:48] I’m trying to feel okay. So that’s a really big thing to try to do. Like I well, I.

Sofia Amirova [00:38:52] Get that all the time because a make. Top bacteria in the products you’ve been using? Yeah. You know, your side sleep or your back sleep. Oh, you know, older, sort of concise planner.

Rae Morris [00:39:05] It’s not good. I don’t mean to, but I wake up in my face up.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:08] And I must admit I’m about as well, you know, like I always hide sleep. No matter how much I try to sleep on my back, I just. I just can’t do it. It’s uncomfortable.

Rae Morris [00:39:18] For me. So. Yeah. So.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:20] Anyway, we’re going to wrap it up. Right. Oh, my God. Thank you so much.

Rae Morris [00:39:25] My pleasure.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:25] You know, I was upset.

Rae Morris [00:39:27] I’m going to come and have one. You’re talking about a.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:30] Slight facial that might.

Rae Morris [00:39:32] Say gala.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:34] Face.

Rae Morris [00:39:35] And I pretend I’m going to the Met gala. I’m just going to come and have that because I love a lot of the normalises stuff.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:40] Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, also white.

Rae Morris [00:39:43] So. How do you spell that? So I think.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:45] Oh, x, y, l i g h t I watch. Yes, actually, also on my website.

Rae Morris [00:39:53] Okay.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:54] Yeah. So.

Rae Morris [00:39:55] And once again, like yours, I think it’s going to be okay.

Sofia Amirova [00:39:58] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I do use when I have time, you know, like pampering myself in front of a window. Yeah. But yeah, most of you know people that are part of the might call it. They prep, you know, they skin two weeks prior. So with the looks of like machine and what I love about it, it’s multi modality equipment so I can just customise, you know, a treatment according to your skin presentation.

Rae Morris [00:40:28] That’s it. No I Okay. That’s the beauty about it.

Sofia Amirova [00:40:31] Yeah. Yes. Okay. So yeah, please come and try it. Thank you. Thank you for doing.

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